February 17, 2004
Belief in Bible Stories
I just had a little chuckle ... okay, I admit, I didn't actually,
literally chuckle, but I thought about it. In a recent
poll nationwide of US adults ...
to ask about a few stories in the Bible. Do you think that's
literally true, meaning it happened that way word-for-word;
or do you think it's meant as a lesson, but not to be taken
"The creation story in which the world was created in six days."
61% Literally true
30% Not Literally true
8% No Opinion
"The story of Noah and the ark in which it rained for 40 days and nights, the
entire world was flooded, and only Noah, his family and the animals on their
60% Literally true
33% Not Literally true
7% No Opinion
ABC News PrimeTime Poll. Feb. 6-10, 2004. N=1,011 adults
nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by ICR.
recent poll estimates that 31% of people in the US believe
31% of the public believes in astrology including 36% of
women and 43% of those aged 25 to 29 but only 17% of people
aged 65 and over, and 25% of men.
The same poll finds:
68% of the public believes in the devil, and 69% believe
The number of Americans that believe there is an gnarly red
devil in hell waiting to gut sinners with a pitchfork
outnumbers those who "believe in astrology" by more than a 2:1
margin. And that 2:1 margin holds up when it comes to people
who believe the world was created in six days compared to people
who believe in astrology.
'Just a little unreality check for you. I guess folks like me
have a lot of work to do, huh?
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Posted by MosesSiregarIII
at February 17, 2004 09:30 AM
I saw the
results of that poll as well. Oh dear yes, you have your work
cut out for you (just joking), but the depth of these
beliefs systems *are* deeply ingrained in our society. I don't
believe the bible stories are literal by any means, but I do
know though that on my spiritual journey it took alot of unraveling
of many confusions! I feel that since we live in a world of duality
and part of our evolution is to synthasize the two (personality
and soul)then this cannot happen unless each person has an experience
of God directly instead of objectifying what they "believe".
Although I read one time that this is how humanity chose to perceive
and evolve, and that religion was created in order that mankind
have something to aspire to or at least, an ideal to strive towards.
What I feel the new age is all about, is direct God realization
eventually, and that those of us who may have a different perspective,
share that perspective in whatever way appropriate.
I was raised as an Episcopalian in the diocese in which Bishop
James Pike presided. Bishop Pike was considered to be a maverick
- he questioned the virgin birth, was very much involved in the
free speech movement in the early 60's and anti-war movement
in the late 60's. In Sunday School, my instruction in the the
Bible, the Gospels and most importantly, Jesus' ministry was
always within the context of the current events at the time.
It certainly wasn't a literal orientation and the end result
is that my spirit and faith are intact.
Yeah, I saw that. Scary, isn't it? Remind me someday to tell
you the story of why I was excommunicated (not literally, but
asked to leave) from my church as a teenager for daring to say
the Bible was simply Christian mythology. That simple revelation
and the fall out from it were responsible for completely changing
my view of spirituality.
Thanks for writing, pj! Beautiful sentiments.
That's great Genevieve. I actually grew up with an Episcopal
church background, and I still love that church, although I almost
never attend it. I admire it for the more liberal approach, and
I love the richness of their ceremonies.
LOL Amy. Please do tell me that story some time.
work to do. Or not. There is a reality where one need do nothing.
One simply is who she is. I am not trying to put
done the "reality of doingness" (or traditional Christianity),
but only acknowledging the "reality of beingness" for others
who may feel that there is something more to life than fear of
other people's beliefs. For more about this see the "Conversations
with God" series, "A Course in Miracles", "The Power of Now",
I have read many times in different mags and on differents websites
that the upcoming transits will completely change the way our
country as well as the world in general views reality. We already
see it happening with Christianity and the questions that society
has been asking in the last 20 years. It's going to be an interesting
to receiving a M.A. in Education, and becoming an Astrologer...I
have to say that it's simply amazing how human-beings
with the capacity to reason beyond our "ingrained thinking" do
not see the connection of what goes on above, so too does below!
Those big balls out there we call PLANETS are not floating around
for nothing. Just look at there effects on the obvious scientifically
proven tides, crops, gravitational pulls. Just using the analogy
that we are made up of mostly water. How can we NOT be effected
I will eternally feel flabber-gasted how one can not admit (at
the very least!) the "possiblity" of an obvious connection. Yet,
I truly feel the signs of the time are moving in the direction
of spiritual awakening. Perhaps, and
hopefully this will eventually tie in the connection of World Religions,
Numerology, Astrology, Astronomy, and the Big Questions of how, why, where,
and when we all began...
Rather..."just look at "THEIR" affects/effects
on us. I hate grammatical errors! It's been a long day...
about belief made me think, "It's all about PR!!!!" The
devil, miracles, and other Christian concepts are believed by
so many not because people really reflect on the reality of these
things but because they've been brainwashed for so long by a
huge, monolithic public relations machine.
I don't know if the 31% belief in astrology should be disheartening
or encouraging. I think if all astrologers agreed upon some really
kick ass iconography--and just branded the hell out of it--we'd
see those numbers go up. We can try and write highly intelligent,
thought-provoking material on the matter, but, in all honesty,
without astrology grabbing hold of the irrational, or the collective
unconscious--without astrology becoming mythic in some way--it
won't go anywhere. I'm sort of joking but I also think there's
some truth to this.
There's a large part of me that believes that over the course
of the next 2 centuries astrology will not only grow in popularity
but become accepted--the myth of our times, or the water we all
swim in. It's just that the birthing process now is a son-of-a-bitch!!
Great to see you, as always. I hear you. I'm a pretty non-dualistic
guy, myself. Mainly I care about having enough
friends to talk astrology with, and I'm pretty happy as long
as that's in place. But then there's that 9th house side of me
that feels some pull to "get out the good word." Non-dualistically,
I try to embrace both :D
I like what you're talking about Donna! Sign me up :D
yeah, I think we have to just keep doing our thing and knowledge
of astrology will spread. I know that I've interacted
with so many people in my life, and I get the sense I've opened
up a lot of eyes to astrology. Knowledge of astrology is really
growing by leaps and bounds, and I'm having a lot of fun being
a part of that "enlightenment."
Very cool thoughts, Bill. And I think you're onto something
there. Isn't it odd how big of a pull irrational mythologies
have on the populace? However, maybe it's really the spirituality
that people are attracted to, and then they are willing to overlook
little things like the creation of the earth in six days in order
to keep their faith in something beyond the five senses? Maybe
that's actually what astrology needs to more clearly offer to
humanity ... a clearer and more direct path to spiritual growth.
Hm. Imagine an astrology based on empirically observable, rational
principles, which more clearly than ever before connects us with
a direct experience of spiritual realities.
Uranus in Pisces, and Neptune in Aquarius, anyone?
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